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		<title>By: Print Pricing Redux &#171; Musings on Photography</title>
		<link>http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/print-pricing/#comment-17025</link>
		<dc:creator>Print Pricing Redux &#171; Musings on Photography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to all for the interesting comments on my Print Pricing post. There&#8217;s a lot of food for thought [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to all for the interesting comments on my Print Pricing post. There&#8217;s a lot of food for thought [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lester Photo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; You want me to pay for those???</title>
		<link>http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/print-pricing/#comment-15984</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Lester Photo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; You want me to pay for those???</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the difficulties. Also, Paul Butzi has a number of posts about pricing. Well worth the read. Start here and read forward. There are lots of great points and comments as well. However, in this post, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the difficulties. Also, Paul Butzi has a number of posts about pricing. Well worth the read. Start here and read forward. There are lots of great points and comments as well. However, in this post, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Zardoz - Sean Connery in red speedo’s at Holy Shmoly!</title>
		<link>http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/print-pricing/#comment-15562</link>
		<dc:creator>Zardoz - Sean Connery in red speedo’s at Holy Shmoly!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to price prints? Paul Butzi considers this question, and again. I&#8217;ve been asked by two people about prints from Inphotos.org as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to price prints? Paul Butzi considers this question, and again. I&#8217;ve been asked by two people about prints from Inphotos.org as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/print-pricing/#comment-15493</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interesting part about pricing, as I learned a long time ago, is that given a choice, sometimes people won&#039;t buy the product if it is priced too low.

When I was shooting weddings a long time time ago, I tried to enter the market as a low cost provider and had similar experiences to what you had.  People would contact me, but then wanted to haggle over price!  Also, there were some who didn&#039;t choose me because &#039;Something must be wrong if his price is so much lower.  No thanks!&#039;

By simply raising my prices about 50%, I was able to get more business!

Thinking along those same lines as I think to price my prints, I am thinking of prices that far exceed my costs.  I, like you, want to be able to provide prints that almost anyone can afford; however, the reality is that there is a mental connection between price and quality/value, although in reality, that link may not really exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting part about pricing, as I learned a long time ago, is that given a choice, sometimes people won&#8217;t buy the product if it is priced too low.</p>
<p>When I was shooting weddings a long time time ago, I tried to enter the market as a low cost provider and had similar experiences to what you had.  People would contact me, but then wanted to haggle over price!  Also, there were some who didn&#8217;t choose me because &#8216;Something must be wrong if his price is so much lower.  No thanks!&#8217;</p>
<p>By simply raising my prices about 50%, I was able to get more business!</p>
<p>Thinking along those same lines as I think to price my prints, I am thinking of prices that far exceed my costs.  I, like you, want to be able to provide prints that almost anyone can afford; however, the reality is that there is a mental connection between price and quality/value, although in reality, that link may not really exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Print pricing &#171; Singular Images</title>
		<link>http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/print-pricing/#comment-15479</link>
		<dc:creator>Print pricing &#171; Singular Images</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Print&#160;pricing Filed under: Art Market, Artist, Photography &#8212; Doug Stockdale @ 11:11 pm   One of the stickier things that artists have to deal with is pricing their work, which is something that I have been avoiding for the better part of the year. But with the pending publication of my folio and that I need some funds to invest in some equipment, I have to come to grips with this.  Which is why I got sucked up into the pricing discussion with Paul Butzi. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Print&nbsp;pricing Filed under: Art Market, Artist, Photography &#8212; Doug Stockdale @ 11:11 pm   One of the stickier things that artists have to deal with is pricing their work, which is something that I have been avoiding for the better part of the year. But with the pending publication of my folio and that I need some funds to invest in some equipment, I have to come to grips with this.  Which is why I got sucked up into the pricing discussion with Paul Butzi. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Stockdale</title>
		<link>http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/print-pricing/#comment-15473</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Stockdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darn, I hate it when I think I&#039;m being smart about a quote, then I get it wrong. Grrrr

So here&#039;s the correct quote:

Alice: Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?

The Cat: That depends a good deal on where you want to get to

Alice: I don&#039;t much care where.

The Cat: Then it doesn&#039;t much matter which way you go.

Alice: …so long as I get somewhere.

The Cat: Oh, you&#039;re sure to do that, if only you walk (photograph) long enough</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darn, I hate it when I think I&#8217;m being smart about a quote, then I get it wrong. Grrrr</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the correct quote:</p>
<p>Alice: Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?</p>
<p>The Cat: That depends a good deal on where you want to get to</p>
<p>Alice: I don&#8217;t much care where.</p>
<p>The Cat: Then it doesn&#8217;t much matter which way you go.</p>
<p>Alice: …so long as I get somewhere.</p>
<p>The Cat: Oh, you&#8217;re sure to do that, if only you walk (photograph) long enough</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Stockdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Stockdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, price pricing, a most vexing subject for an artist to price their own work. 

It seems to me that galleries have a pretty good idea about pricing and the relative &#039;value&#039; of an artist and their work. And they seem to have no quams about what price they ask. Remember, the gallery owners are also dependent upon the right price in order to still sell something and yet stay in business.

Having my own business (consulting), I know what the range of fees are for folks who do what I do, and the fees are not cost priced, but based on the benefit of the advice.

So for me, I am not dependent for my living from selling photography prints, but at some point soon I would like to be. Thus, like you, how much do I sell my prints for, eh? (Mentioning Brooks as an example, he is not dependent on prints either, as he &amp; his wife probably make a fair living from the various LensWork products).

So my current thinking is if someone wants a &#039;cheap&#039; print, they can print their own low-res one off my web site or blog. If they value a fine print, want to see the range of values that I can imbue a nice rag paper with and thus want to own a fine print, then they should be willing to pay the market price for it. They benefit, I benefit.

Then the next question you have to answer for yourself, what is the market price? My guess is that is almost the same question, what is your market?? Fine art collectors (those who apprecaiate the subtles and thinking behind a work), or is it Ikea &amp; Kmart for those who need &#039;something nice&#039; on the wall for less than 20 bucks or is your market someplace in between? Answering that may tell you what your pricing could be.

So the Cheshire cat asked Alice, &quot;just where do you want to go??&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, price pricing, a most vexing subject for an artist to price their own work. </p>
<p>It seems to me that galleries have a pretty good idea about pricing and the relative &#8216;value&#8217; of an artist and their work. And they seem to have no quams about what price they ask. Remember, the gallery owners are also dependent upon the right price in order to still sell something and yet stay in business.</p>
<p>Having my own business (consulting), I know what the range of fees are for folks who do what I do, and the fees are not cost priced, but based on the benefit of the advice.</p>
<p>So for me, I am not dependent for my living from selling photography prints, but at some point soon I would like to be. Thus, like you, how much do I sell my prints for, eh? (Mentioning Brooks as an example, he is not dependent on prints either, as he &amp; his wife probably make a fair living from the various LensWork products).</p>
<p>So my current thinking is if someone wants a &#8216;cheap&#8217; print, they can print their own low-res one off my web site or blog. If they value a fine print, want to see the range of values that I can imbue a nice rag paper with and thus want to own a fine print, then they should be willing to pay the market price for it. They benefit, I benefit.</p>
<p>Then the next question you have to answer for yourself, what is the market price? My guess is that is almost the same question, what is your market?? Fine art collectors (those who apprecaiate the subtles and thinking behind a work), or is it Ikea &amp; Kmart for those who need &#8217;something nice&#8217; on the wall for less than 20 bucks or is your market someplace in between? Answering that may tell you what your pricing could be.</p>
<p>So the Cheshire cat asked Alice, &#8220;just where do you want to go??&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Frazer</title>
		<link>http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/print-pricing/#comment-15469</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Frazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brooks Jensen pointed out (I&#039;m paraphrasing) that 99.99% of the world will not pay over $20. From some recent shows that I&#039;ve attended, there seems to be a lot of truth to this theory.  Offer something for $20 (low margin, high volume), and also offer something else for the high end (low volume, high margin). Maybe sell 8x10&#039;s or 4x6&#039;s (matted) for $20, and also sell 12x18&#039;s for $200.

It&#039;s not about one or the other. It&#039;s about going after two separate markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brooks Jensen pointed out (I&#8217;m paraphrasing) that 99.99% of the world will not pay over $20. From some recent shows that I&#8217;ve attended, there seems to be a lot of truth to this theory.  Offer something for $20 (low margin, high volume), and also offer something else for the high end (low volume, high margin). Maybe sell 8&#215;10&#8217;s or 4&#215;6&#8217;s (matted) for $20, and also sell 12&#215;18&#8217;s for $200.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about one or the other. It&#8217;s about going after two separate markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Beckerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Beckerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point my sales are all web-based, so that may be a factor in these comments, but:

My own experience has been that people have no way of judging the worth of a print other than the price.  The cost of materials is not a factor.  Nor is the cost of time to take the photograph, or all the wasted negatives / captures that were tossed.

When I first began selling prints on the web, they were very cheap.  Not much more than what the materials cost.  I could barely manage to sell a few.

As time went on, I experimented with different prices, and was surprised to find that I sold more prints when the prices were higher (to a certain point).

Eventually, I came up with the idea of selling prints in three basic sizes, small, medium, and large (what I call the tube sock business model).  The idea being to appeal to different segments of the market.  

Another aspect of my sales is that many of them are bought for gifts.  And again - the price tells the consumer something about how I value them and hence how much the eventual recipient should value them.

Anyway - my idea is that you don&#039;t buy a painting based on the amount of paint that was used to make it.  At the same time, I am working on producing high quality reproductions that can sell at a lower price - and are clearly sold as reproductions.

So there you have my two cents - or should I make that my dime?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point my sales are all web-based, so that may be a factor in these comments, but:</p>
<p>My own experience has been that people have no way of judging the worth of a print other than the price.  The cost of materials is not a factor.  Nor is the cost of time to take the photograph, or all the wasted negatives / captures that were tossed.</p>
<p>When I first began selling prints on the web, they were very cheap.  Not much more than what the materials cost.  I could barely manage to sell a few.</p>
<p>As time went on, I experimented with different prices, and was surprised to find that I sold more prints when the prices were higher (to a certain point).</p>
<p>Eventually, I came up with the idea of selling prints in three basic sizes, small, medium, and large (what I call the tube sock business model).  The idea being to appeal to different segments of the market.  </p>
<p>Another aspect of my sales is that many of them are bought for gifts.  And again &#8211; the price tells the consumer something about how I value them and hence how much the eventual recipient should value them.</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; my idea is that you don&#8217;t buy a painting based on the amount of paint that was used to make it.  At the same time, I am working on producing high quality reproductions that can sell at a lower price &#8211; and are clearly sold as reproductions.</p>
<p>So there you have my two cents &#8211; or should I make that my dime?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Doonan</title>
		<link>http://photomusings.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/print-pricing/#comment-15453</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Doonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are 2 ways to make decent money in this world: pile &#039;em high &amp; sell &#039;em cheap or low volume-high margin.

Trouble is, if you want to sell to many people, the former route is the only effetive one.

My observation of people&#039;s reaction to photography is that they largely relate the work to what they could have done themselves. The effort involved, the quality of the print and the materials used just do not factor. Unless the audience can be educated into understanding why good photography cost more than a couple of bucks a sheet to produce, there will always be a problem.

I suppose you could just use in-camera jpegs, print them on buck a sheet paper and sell for $5. I bet you could sell loads but I&#039;m not sure you&#039;d be happy doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are 2 ways to make decent money in this world: pile &#8216;em high &amp; sell &#8216;em cheap or low volume-high margin.</p>
<p>Trouble is, if you want to sell to many people, the former route is the only effetive one.</p>
<p>My observation of people&#8217;s reaction to photography is that they largely relate the work to what they could have done themselves. The effort involved, the quality of the print and the materials used just do not factor. Unless the audience can be educated into understanding why good photography cost more than a couple of bucks a sheet to produce, there will always be a problem.</p>
<p>I suppose you could just use in-camera jpegs, print them on buck a sheet paper and sell for $5. I bet you could sell loads but I&#8217;m not sure you&#8217;d be happy doing so.</p>
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